AhmedBahgat wrote:
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When I posted this thread on Faithfreedom web site (FFI), which is directed to my Muslims brothers and sisters to inform them with a common mistake that many of them commit, the kafirs of FFI joined the thread trying hard to disturb the message of my thread, so instead of them agreeing or disagreeing with what I said, they bloody diverted the subject with yet their usual crap that Mohammed is quoting a Jewish Rabbi who said the same in year 200 CE, however the idiots failed to provide evidences that their man made Talmod was translated into Arabic so Mohammed would have managed to read it and steal from it,
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monasjazz wrote:
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okay , dear Ahmad ..keep going ..
with my pleasure , I'll be waiting for it and want to see another proven that Qoran is still existed until today ..
one of the scriptures in Koran is that Jews are hypocritic and Christians are wrongdoers , both of them are liars ..as long as the time goes by ..
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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Whosoever preserves a single soul of Israel, Scripture ascribes to him as if he had preserved a complete world"[/u] (Tractate Sanhedrin 37a).
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ygalg wrote:
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it's from babylon talmud the second edition.
not from jerusalem talmud the first edition. the 'first edition' confirms which of two is the hen or the egg.
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Mishnah 4.5, The Babylonian Talmud, Soncino English translation, translated by Jacob Shachter, University Press, Oxford, 1935, pg. 234:
Sanhedrin 37a: "...whosoever destroys a single soul of Israel, Scripture imputes [guilt] to him as though he had destroyed a complete world; and whosoever preserves a single soul of Israel, Scripture ascribes [merit] to him as though he had preserved a complete world."
Mishnah 4.5, Der Babylonische Talmud, translated and provided with short explanations by Lazarus Goldschmidt, German translation of the Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin pgs. 169-170:
Sanhedrin 37a: "...dass wenn jemand eine jisraelitische Seele vernichtet, es ihm die Schrift anrechnet, als hatte er eine ganze Welt vernichtet, und wenn jemand eine jisraelitische Seele erhalt, es ihm die Schrift anrechnet, als hatte er eine ganze Welt erhalten."
This German passage, which may be translated much the same way as the Soncino English cited above, also contains the restriction of a blessing reserved only to saving an Israelite soul (eine jisraelitische Seele).
This Goldschmidt translation was the only complete, uncensored German translation of the Babylonian Talmud at the time of World War Two. It is worth noting that Goldschmidt specifically made his Talmud translation "according to the first uncensored Bromberg edition (Venice 1520-23)," comparing it to the famous uncensored (and handwritten) Munich Talmud text. Goldschmidt's Talmud for Sanhedrin was published in The Hague and Berlin in 1933.
Mishnah 4.5, The Talmud of Babylonia; An American Translation, translated by Jacob Neusner, Bavli Sanhedrin 4:5, Scholars Press, Chico, California, 1984, pg. 35:
"J. ...whoever destroys a single Israelite soul is deemed by Scripture as if he had destroyed a whole world. K. And whoever saves a single Israelite soul is deemed by Scripture as if he had saved a whole world."
Talmud Bavli, The Schottenstein Edition, The Art Scroll Series, Published by Mesorah Publications, ltd. Brooklyn, New York, 1993 Tractate Sanhedrin, pg. 37a3:
"...that whoever destroys a single life from Israel is considered by Scripture as if he had destroyed an entire world; and that whoever preserves a single life from Israel is considered by Scripture as if he had preserved an entire world."
This version is translated from "the classic `Romm Edition' of the Talmud, universally known as the Vilna Shas." (pgs. xxvi and xxvii) ("Shas" is a name for the Talmud; see below.) This authoritative and handsome edition presents the Talmud as the very word of God (pg. xxvi), and it does not even mention the universal version used by Spielberg and the gangs of deciet on FFI, in the notes on the text.
Mishnah 4.5, The Talmud of Babylonia XXIII, Bavli Tractate Sanhedrin, by Jacob Neusner, Scholars Press, Atlanta, Georgia, 1994, pg. 183:
"J. ...whoever destroys a single Israelite soul is deemed by Scripture as if he had destroyed a whole world. K. And whoever saves a single Israelite soul is deemed by Scripture as if he had saved a whole world."
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See ygang, your man made scriptures only care about the Jews, and i'm sure you are very enbarrsaed of that, like those rabbis who wrote the second version of the Talmod after they read the Quran and stole from it to redeem their racist jewish arses
- Fri 30 Nov, 2007 8:23 pm
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Hello Muslims brothers and sisters
as you can see, tne gang of deceit are lying to cover their shame
the early version of the Talmod is the version that does not have the Quran quote:
STANDARD TRANSLATIONS OF THE MISHNAH ALONE
The Mishnah, translated by Herbert Danby, Oxford University Press, London, 1933, Sanhedrin 4.5, pg. 388:
"...if any man has caused a single soul to perish from Israel Scripture imputes it to him as though he had caused a whole world to perish; and if any man saves alive a single soul from Israel Scripture imputes it to him as though he had saved alive a whole world."
For many years in this century, Danby's Mishnah was the standard English translation of the Mishnah.
Gateway to the Mishnah, by Isidore Fishman, Jack Mazin Ltd, London 1955, Sanhedrin 4.5, pg. 156:
"...he who destroys one human life of Israel, it is accounted to him by Scripture as though he had destroyed a whole universe; and he who saves one human life of Israel, it is accounted to him by Scripture as though he had preserved a whole universe."
The Mishnah; A New Translation, by Jacob Neusner, Yale University Press, New Haven and London, 1988, Sanhedrin 4.5, pg. 591:
"J. ...whoever destroys a single Israelite soul is deemed by Scripture as if he had destroyed a whole world. K. And whoever saves a single Israelite soul is deemed by Scripture as if he had saved a whole world."
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The Talmod writers later on were highly embarrassed because their first Talmod (the early one) is a clear cut racist book where the verses only cares about saving or destroying a JEWISH LIFE
Later on when their rabbis read the Quran, they stole 5:32 from it made it to replace the original and racist statement found in their First Talmod
i.e. they are the thieves who stole from the Quran and included what they stole in heir second verssion Talmod
Salam
- Sat 01 Dec, 2007 2:46 am
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Brother, I have noticed this post on the FFI Forum but I did not comment on it. These days, I just occasionally check into that forum and just read a few posts. I can never bring myself to go into that forum as extensively as I once did, ever since I was suspended.
But I have noticed that Realist is gone, do you have any idea what happened to him? it was funny reading that scumbag's posts.
i may make a few posts here and there, but overall my time on FFI is finished. I'm retiring
Salam
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